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August 14, 2005

Questioning 3L

You may have missed it, but last week the American Bar Association held its annual meeting in Chicago. Who knew? My Shingle noticed, but only to say that the conference didn't offer much for most lawyers. Maybe that's why most of us knew little about it.

But on the heels of that conference the AP ran a story asking: Is the third year of law school really necessary?

At many top law schools, the third year is famously relaxed, a halcyon interlude between rigorous introductory courses and the long hours that await graduates at law firm jobs. There is research and volunteer work, but also a lot of bar-hopping and little studying: 15 hours per week, according to one survey at 11 law schools, compared to 33 hours for first-year students.

But if it's an extended vacation, it's pricey: $30,000 or more at top private schools. And at many law schools, grads can't count on the six-figure salaries awaiting many at the most prestigious programs, so an extra year of debt is a big burden.

The two stories (the ABA Conference and the story about 3L) are linked because apparently the ABA recently updated its accreditation guidelines for law schools “to require more total minutes of instruction, but offering schools more flexibility in how that's structured.” Everyone seems to agree that the third year of law school is currently not very valuable for most students, but they disagree on whether that means it should be made more rigorous or disposed of altogether. As Evan Schaeffer noted, Professor Ann Althouse is firmly in the “make it more rigorous” camp:

It is amazing that one can hold oneself out as a lawyer after a mere three years of education.

Hm. Really? Because lawyers are like, um, brain surgeons or something? The good professor is certainly onto something in terms of most newly-minted lawyers being woefully unprepared to actually practice law, but that's certainly not for lack of time spent in law school! In a comment to the professor's post, “Kevin S.” sums up what I would say are the real issues here:

There is a lot of challenging material in the law. And one could spend a lifetime learning about it. But is one better suited to *practice* law after the third year as compared to the second? How much better (an important question, as one would certainly be more learned with 6 years than 3)? Is the marginal benefit to the public and the student worth an extra $30,000 (or quite a bit more considering opportunity costs)?

I would say the answer to those questions is “no,” “very little,” and “no.” Judging from this essay from Evan Schaeffer—a practicing attorney who's been there—I'm not the only one. There are clearly lots of people who are very invested in making the law seem more complex and difficult than it really is, and these are often the same people who tend to infantilize the public and speak in patronizing tones about how we must protect people from poorly trained lawyers and that the best way to do that is to regulate legal education—hence, the ABA's ridiculous accreditation requirements. For a small taste of just how ridiculous those requirements are, Dennis Kennedy writes:

Interestingly, I had a discussion with a non-lawyer the other day about the nature of legal education and found it difficult to explain the current state of legal education. Especially difficult to explain (probably because I don't understand it myself) is the accreditation process for new law schools, with its heavy emphasis on number of volumes in a school's law library. My friend kept shaking her head in disbelief.

Kennedy goes on to speculate about “whether law school has become impossibly over-academized.” Good question. Perhaps something of an answer can be found in the fact that too many law professors have close to zero experience actually practicing law. That being the case, it's no wonder we get constantly tested on “issue-spotting” and graduate w/out knowing how to file a motion in court. Our good professors are only teaching us what they know and, damn!, can they ever spot those issues!

But the ABA's accreditation requirements are a special peeve of mine because they are probably the single biggest impediment to getting rid of the third year, and of course, law schools will fight tooth and nail to make sure the ABA continues to require the third year because it means so much extra cash for law schools. This creates a self-reinforcing cycle there that's good for no one but the law schools, as far as I can see. The accreditation requirements' emphasis on number of books in the library or number of computer labs or whatever also tends to drive up costs for students who will then go out into the “real” world and often have to deal with older or nonexistent technology and sharply curtailed access to legal materials—a situation for which law school has not prepared them at all. Again, all of this is good for ... whom?

I'll be starting my 3rd year of law school in a couple of weeks and perhaps I will find that it's very valuable. Perhaps not. L-Cubed says he'd rather have his $40k back and I bet I will, too. What is certain is that the insanely high cost of a legal education does not serve the public good. Also certain is the fact that the current system of legal education assumes that newly-minted JD's will learn most of what they need to know for their daily work on the job, which means we pay absolutely astonishing amounts of money to get a credential so that we can then go on to a job where we can learn how to use our credential. Does this really make sense? Is this really the best way to ensure our country's legal system is fair and accessible to all citizens?

Candide, where are you?

Posted August 14, 2005 09:40 AM | 3L


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I'm beginning my 4L (and final) year (I work full time during the day) and I must say, I would much prefer a focus on practice in the final law school year. I think forcing us into clinics and other practice-oriented would greatly benefit both law students and everyone else by perhaps actually preparing us to practice law.

Posted by: Jennifer at August 14, 2005 02:37 PM

Also, on the ABA Annual Meeting - there were several interesting panel discussions, a few of which were geared toward law students and getting them interested in a particular practice area. Unfortunately, those panels were not well publicized.

Posted by: Jennifer at August 14, 2005 02:39 PM

I would like to see it take four years before one could sit for the bar: two years of law school, plus two years of apprenticeship work, or three years of law school and one year of apprenticeship work -- your choice.* Also, if a two-year law degree ever came out, I hope-to-goodness that they would not call it a "Juris Doctor" degree. A two-year degree shouldn't even sound like a doctorate. "Master of Jurisprudence" would be better.



*But who knows what I will think in a few weeks. My views in this area seem to be ever-evolving.

Posted by: JR at August 14, 2005 03:50 PM

I totally agree. I'm working full-time now as a rising 2L, and gather reams more expertise and experience from the workplace than from my absentminded/unintelligible/jackass/ivorytowerobsessed professors.

If I ran the world, law school would be one year of insanity in the classrooms, followed by two years of guided apprenticeships. The professors who enjoy (and excel at) teaching could take care of the 1Ls. Mentorly-types would would meet with students regularly to discuss their work, and the rest would have time for their precious research.

Posted by: Avoiding Billable Hours at August 15, 2005 03:00 PM

I go to a school where experience is given high priority. We have a typical first year, and then after that, we go to the quarter system. So, this summer, this fall, I go to school ... but my exams start November 12th, and by December 1, I'll be working again. Then in March, I go back to school. Again, a quick, condensed quarter, and then back to work. So 1/2 of my 2nd and 3rd years is working. We also have the opportunity to do clinics during our academic quarters, which consist of 20 hours of real working/ representation of clients.

With this set up, I would not want to lose my 3rd year. I feel like I need it to find out what directions I want to go in, long-term. The legal field is so huge, and I want to take classes to find out 1) all that's out there, and 2) which of those things interest me. Well, I also love taking classes.

However, with our system, I'm also not feeling like I am lacking the experiential/practical aspect of learning the law.

Posted by: Zuska at August 17, 2005 09:27 AM

Sounds awesome, Z. I assume you're speaking of Northeastern? And the only problem w/it is that it still costs $30k/year for tuition, I believe, and then you've got potential costs on top of that for traveling to your work site for various quarters, finding short-term housing, possibly maintaining a Boston apt. as your home base, etc. So it's a great program, but it's still far too costly, wouldn't you say? Why must tuition be so high?

Posted by: ambimb at August 17, 2005 06:03 PM

Yes, I am talking about Northeastern, and tuition did just go up this year. For me, the negatives aren't as many, b/c I am tied to Boston year round by my daughters' elementary school schedule. As far as the in-state apartment problem, a lot of students share ... we go out on co-op on opposite rotations. I work summer/winter, others work spring/fall. So during the first year, while people are at school all year, connections are made, deals are struck, and one apartment (or room if you're sharing) can serve many people.

Northeastern DOES try really hard to keep its loan assistance program healthy for graduates working in public interest fields, but there are a LOT of graduates who do that. So, even a lot of money is spread pretty thin.

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