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Only one third of law students take BarBri?
The most recent Ambivalent Question asked: “Which bar review course will you (or did you) take?” After two weeks of voting, the final results were:
- Impeach Bush: 36.4%
- Bar/Bri: 34.8%
- Bar/Bri *and* PMBR: 19.7%
- PMBR: 3.0%
- BarPlus: 1.5%
- Other: 1.5%
- None; who needs 'em?: 1.5%
- Micro Mash Bar Review: 1.5%
- MyBarPrep: 0%
- The Study Group Personal Bar Review: 0%
I can make little of this. At my school (GW), my impression is very much that everyone takes BarBri, but perhaps that's just because they've got our school brainwashed that it's necessary. I've heard faculty simply assume that we'll all take BarBri, and it's in the school's interest that we do if they think it will increase our bar passage rates, so that definitely contributes to more people signing up. Still, I have to think this little poll is not very accurate. Shock.
The bar exam is such a very stupid thing. As I've said before, I agree w/Professor Solove that the damn things should be abolished:
It prevents mobility among lawyers, making it cumbersome and time consuming to move to different states. It does not test on actual law used in legal practice, but on esoteric legal rules, many of which are obsolete, and most of which are of absolutely no value to a practicing attorney or to anyone for that matter. In short, the Bar Exam is an unproductive waste of time.That first problem—the exam as a barrier to mobility—is a huge one for me and the most important reason to get rid of the whole charade. But rather than repeat what Professor Solove and the comments to his posts have said, I propose the following three changes to how people become lawyers in this country:
First, the only even slightly credible reason people offer for having a bar exam is as a barrier to entry to ensure some minimum level of competence in the legal profession. I agree this is a lame reason, but most people in the legal profession have been brainwashed to believe it's horribly important. Therefore, rather than abolish the bar exam, we should simply abolish all but one iteration of it. By this I mean that, rather than each state having its own exam, the ABA should offer one bar exam that qualifies those who pass to practice law anywhere in the country. The Multistate Bar Exam is already in place; tweak that however you like, but please, just make one test count for all 50 states.
Second, put BarBri out of freaking business by making the last semester of law school into a bar review course. Many people already agree that the 3rd year of law school is largely a waste; make it meaningful by making sure it prepares students for entry into their profession.
Third, convince the rest of the states to join Wisconsin in allowing graduates of state law schools automatic admission to the bar in that state.
That's it. Very simple. What do you think?
Another suggestion that would leave the current abominable system in place but eliminate the biggest problem for me would be for states to allow people to take their bar exams whenever they want. Why must every bar exam be given during the same 2-3 days each year? That's stupid and unnecessary. If I want to take an exam, I should be able to schedule it with a state bar examiner a few weeks in advance at the most, show up, and take it. If they want to keep it simple, they can offer the exam only on thursdays and fridays, or they could offer it only once a month if they want to be jerks about it, but this twice/year business (and the fact that all states do it in the same weeks as each other) creates a ridiculous and completely unnecessary barrier to mobility.
Please! Stop the madness!
Other interesting bits about the bar exam:
- Someone named Ryan Walters owns abolishthebarexam.com. I wonder if this is him.
- Professor Solove's first post about abolishing the bar exam.
- Solove's followup post.
- Another followup and summary on de novo.
- A Girl Walks Into a Bar (Exam)...: Last year's popular blog about preparing for the bar exam, including some “potentially useful posts.”
- Jeremy Blachman on studying for the bar exam and especially on paying for Bar/Bri: “But unless a firm is paying, it's kind of expensive - I believe the going rate is $2400 if you sign up the morning you arrive at law school, $2600 if you wait until lunchtime, $3000 plus your left leg as collateral if you wait a week, $4000 if they don't like you, and $500,000 anytime after the first day of classes.”
Posted April 2, 2006 01:02 PM | ambivalent questions bar exam
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Perhaps add the "Impeach Bush" percent to the BarBri percent?
Posted by: Jennifer at April 2, 2006 07:32 PM
Well, first, your poll has one category for Bar/Bri and one for Bar/Bri *and* PMBR... which means that 54.5% of your respondents take Bar/Bri. And if you discount the "Impeach Bush" vote, your poll shows that closer to 85% of the respondents take Bar/Bri.
Posted by: Dave! at April 3, 2006 02:23 AM
Excellent points, both. That 85% seems much more consistent w/my impression of the number of people taking Bar/Bri...
Those damned "Impeach Bush" voters -- they're just always screwing everything up!
Posted by: ambimb at April 3, 2006 07:40 AM
Yeah, I suspect it's even higher at my school. But then Conviser throws a rager for the school once a year, so at least we know we're getting something for our money. :)
Posted by: Dave! at April 3, 2006 09:37 AM
I think this explains it. There's a small bar review company around my school focusing on Con Law, Crim Pro and International Law and the name of that company is, oddly enough, Impeach Bush. I see that company has expanded to reach people who take quizzes on world wide web logs. Good for them.
Posted by: Steve at April 3, 2006 11:03 PM
I went to a top law school and I took the PMBR and realized that I had the discipline to study on my own and I didn't want to waste my time and energy listening in class- I don't learn well that way. I passed without a problem. Know yourself well enough to know if you can study 12 hours a day without someone making you. Get your friends who just passed to give you their stuff to study if you're going to do it on your own. If you're a group person- bar-bri will probably work for you. I had a lot of lectures on tape I listened to while cleaning the house, or going to the store for a "break."
Posted by: philosophicalawyer at April 4, 2006 05:50 PM
My question is: I'm already signed up for BarBri. Should I take PMBR, too? From what I've heard, its main goal is to freak you out. I already have a lot of practice PMBR questions that I got from my school for free. What do you think?
Posted by: monica at April 5, 2006 07:54 AM
Monica: I think you should send me those practice PMBR questions you got from your school! But yeah, that's what "M" said in the comments here -- that PMBR just mostly freaked her out. I don't think I'm gonna do it. My understanding is that Bar/Bri will give you some MBE prep and I think that's enough for most people.
Philosophicalawyer: I agree completely -- you need to know yourself and I know I will learn more and more efficiently w/more structure than if I just try to discipline myself to do it on my own.
Posted by: ambimb at April 5, 2006 08:55 AM