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September 23, 2005

13 or 14? The GW Academic Calendar Imbroglio

This is mostly GW inside baseball, so if you don't care about such things, there's an interesting discussion at Leiter's Law School Reports about the value of the socratic method. Don't care about that, either? Hmm... Go read Think Progress then, ok? There's always something good and snarky there...

Anywho, in the fall of 2004, GW changed its academic schedule from 14-week semesters with 50-minute “hours” for classes, to 13-week semesters with 55-minute “hours” (or something like that; I just show up when the tell me to). The goal was to compress the ABA-required class time into 13 weeks to make space for the Fall Interview Program (FIP) in the fall. At the time, the SBA (Student Bar Association) and faculty discussed other reasons for the switch, but none of them seemed as important as catering to the big firms that dominate FIP and the students who so dearly want to work for them.

The 13-week schedule was just an experiment that was set to end after a year or two, so now the school is having a bit of a discussion about it. This has generated two fascinating emails from partisans on either side of the issue.

Proponents of the 13-week calendar write:

A 14 week calendar will result in FIP beginning on the same day classes start, 1Ls have no fall break, 1Ls having their first week of school the same as the student body (as opposed to having the campus to themselves), graduation occuring a week later and as a result barring the law school from participating in the university's joint ceremony, one less week to work at your summer job, graduation and the start of bar preparations occurring on the same week and one less week for vacation.

On the other hand:

Here are some reasons that we should go back to the 14-week schedule:

* The odd end/start times of classes and the cramming of 14 weeks into 13 has led to no available times for organization meetings, panels, speakers. We used to have the 5 - 6 pm timeslot with no classes scheduled.

* No available classrooms for organization events - they are all scheduled for classes.

* 26 weeks instead of 28 weeks gives less time to do all the activities that the organizations have planned for the year.

* Not an advantage to have graduation the same time as the whole university. You'll be competing with undergrads for hotels and restaurants and get a generic GW experience rather than a special law school experience.

* If you don't like the idea of missing 1L Fall break, think about the poor evening 1Ls who have to give up Spring break (and don't get Fall break) under the 13 week system. Evening students make up close to 20% of the JD population here and they overwhelmingly supported keeping the 14 week schedule.

* Less education for your money. Although the total minutes in class is longer under 13 weeks, we all know the end of class period is the least productive part of our education.

In many ways it is cheaper for the administration to have the 13 week schedule, but more expensive for the students in terms of their diminished law school experience.


Are your eyes glazed over? Probably, but what's interesting about this is just that it shows that some law students actually seem to care about how their school experience is designed! This may not be a huge issue, but at least its a sign of life from the student body.

For what it's worth, I'm pretty firmly in the 14-week camp. As mentioned above, the 13-week schedule produces crazy class start/end times (i.e. 3:50-5:15!?) that don't mesh well w/other activities, such as work or social life. The problems the compressed schedule causes for student organizations are real and, although I have no hard evidence of it, I do not doubt that support for student groups (or at least turnout at meetings and events) has dropped b/c of this schedule. In the long run, this could decrease the quality of student life overall. But perhaps most important, the 14-week schedule simply gives more time to cover and digest class material and makes doing so feel just a bit less harried and hectic. I'm all for long summer breaks or whatever, but I prefer a slower, steadier academic pace and I think we had that w/the 14-week schedule.

Posted September 23, 2005 10:30 AM | 3L


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I'm going to have to disagree with you. I don't think it's that frantic or hectic. It's an extra five minutes an hour. And getting a two whole extra weeks off in return is well worth it. I'd rather put in the little extra effort during the semester in order to have an extra two weeks at the beach. And the organizations argument is kinda weak. Plenty of people still participate; people make time for what they want to make time for. The last five minutes of class will be the least productive in a 14 week system also. People just see that there are 5 minutes left and they start to get antsy.

Posted by: Reckless Murder at September 23, 2005 10:54 AM

I like the 13 week schedule. If we didn't have a week before school to do FIP, many people would be forced to miss class. Plus, it's nice for the 1Ls to have a week to get used to school before activities, etc start.

As far as the student groups are concerned, my group's membership is way up this year. I don't think the new schedule has affected participation at all.

Just my $.02

Posted by: mpk at September 23, 2005 07:42 PM

I agree with the 13 week proponents. As a 2L, I've benefitted from the new schedule this year an last year. Last year, it was very nice to have a week to adjust to school, and the fall break prevented me from having a nervous breakdown. Also, this year the FIP week saved me, b/c I had ~20 interviews the first week. I've never felt "hurried" or "rushed" because of the schedule. In fact, I'd probably start studying for finals on the same date (Nov. 1) either, and this would be more campped for studying with the 14th weeks b/c I'd have covered more material before I started studying, thus having to study more in less time before finals. In sum, DON'T CHANGE IT!!

Posted by: GW 2L at September 23, 2005 10:20 PM

I'm not surprised to hear so much support for the 13-week schedule. For most people, the less time spent in school, the better. I generally agree, and I've managed the 13-week schedule fine. I just think arranging an academic calendar around the needs of a certain set of employers is fundamentally flawed, but, well, I'm pretty clearly not in the majority on this and many other things about law school and the legal profession. I have little doubt the 13-week schedule will become permanent at GW unless the faculty overrule the students on this one, and I kind of doubt they will.

Posted by: ambimb at September 23, 2005 11:18 PM

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